Who is c3 church watch

At the recent C3 Australia Conference at the Gold Coast, a speech about giving was streamed online before being removed the next day. In the clip, worshipers are directed to the portable eftpos machines before stories of healing take centre stage. One man, who happens to be the son of another C3 Pastor John Pearce, claims Phil Pringle cured him of his epilepsy last year. Another man seeks a cure for his gut health. And then there are 'miracle offerings', encouraging believers to donate a one-off hefty amount for a special need in their life - often to have children.

So whether that's new job, new house, new car, is it kids for some people? Chris Rosebrough, a devoted Christian, says the church's teachings don't align with the bible. Gifts of God are received as gifts, they are given freely by God, they cannot be purchased," he said. Phil Pringle denied preaching about miracle offerings when approach by A Current Affair , saying, "well we certainly haven't preached that.

But audio recordings, since deleted offline, capture Phil Pringle explaining how "miracle offerings" work. In fact I believe there's two people who could do that. I tithe for a number of reasons, but C3 never made me. I want people to be able to find Christ like me and the programs put on, really bring people into the church. I want a continual flow of my finances that I have been blessed with to go to others.

Is it just a money problem you all have? What C3 churches have you been to that has caused you so much offence? So, no details sorry. I will say just enough to piss off both sides of the debate:. Some financial things there disturbed me. Be that woman with the pennies! Call it what it is. Oh my goodness. Please define what you mean homophobic. However, the very action of hosting false preachers is to legitimize their message and condescends to the very people Jesus reached out to — the marginalized, no matter the original intent.

I know, a lot of other Christians have different viewpoints to mine,…please resist the sermon, guys. God makes the issues clear about women in leadership and the issues of homosexuality.

No where are we taught to fear or hate homosexuals. That is wrong. However, it is clear that God has an issue with the homosexual lifestyle just like he does with any other form of sinful lifestyle. Sorry to be blunt and to the point. Your opinion is invalid and you are in flat out rebellion against and his clear teachings on this issue. You are creating a God that suits the god of this culture and that is dangerous.

God calls it idolatry. Please repent and submit to the clear teachings of Christ and his church. Good people have been destroyed financially, sexually and spiritually. C3 targets nice people. We never wanted to start this site. A number of us have been programmed by C3 to think that this was unGodly to do… until I started reading the bible for myself.

The issue here is not offence. But just like everyone else, we choose to let offense go. We know that it is not a good thing to hold onto. But this does not change the facts that Pringle continually lies about what God says in his Word and continually makes God out to be a liar in his false prophecies.

This means when you have leaders like Phil Pringle conning people to buy miracles, buy grace and even salvation — truth itself is offended and love is sold to make money. This is the truth. Please demonstrate likewise using the bible. Please engage with us on this level.

Test what we say against Gods Word. This is our standard. God is. We can honestly say that God is offended by the blasphemy that is being spread in his name in the C3 movement. In fact, God himself relates false teachings that come out of C3 to gangrene 2 Timothy At C3 Church Watch we are addressing this train-wreck movement as best we can.

It needs to be addressed. Christians need to pull their family and friends out of this dangerous movement before Christians destroy their own faith. Please — we would love your prayer for wisdom and Godly decision making. We would love you to pray for Pringle and the C3 movement. We would love to see Pringle repent so we can embrace him and call him a Christian brother. So please understand — we hate the lies, immorality and blasphemy that emerge from the movement.

We consider them to be dangerous. Can you honestly say our desire is to remain offended for the sake of offense and see C3 destroyed? We choose to show love in a very black-and-white way but do not rejoice in evil.

We do not rejoice in all the stuff we report. We are in fact sad for people like Phil Pringle and Kong Hee. We are praying about this. We pray that goodness comes out of this. Please earnestly see what we are doing. People should stop and take a look at themselves before throwing stones at others. You claim not to attack but yet the words on this site are doing just that. Anything would seem like an attack if we are exposing lies that C3 make against the Word of God.

By your standard God would not be happy with Jesus if Jesus was to apply your concept of judgment. Unless you can claim you are perfect and without fault then playing the judge is not a good thing as these false teachers in all churches only have one true judge. December 7, at pm. Would you care to reveal what affiliation you have with C3, and exactly what your motive is for commenting here, if not to defend a bunch of scripture-twisting hypocrites whose consciences have been seared with the hottest of irons?

So tell us, Alan — does Phil Pringle attack people? Does he have those who have the temerity to disagree with him turfed out of C3? Does he mock his critics, whilst ignoring the substance of their arguments? Have you given money to Phil Pringle, Alan? What is it that C3 has to hide with regards to money?

Phil Pringle used to laugh off rumours that he drove a powder blue Mercedes, which is quite ironic seeing that these days he is getting around in a very nice BMW.

December 8, at am. I grew up in the Church Of Christ in Australia from the age I dedicated my life to God at the age of 17 back in the 80s. Now as for you mentioning Kong Hee and the rest of his crew, they all got what they deserved. If anyone in church was to do the same I would never hesitate to dob them in even if it was a friend of mine.

Now as for all churches they should remove the charity tag and make them pay taxes like everyone else. Andrew Mackinnon said:. August 25, at pm. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.

Phil Pringle teaches that if somebody offends you, the onus is on you to forgive them. But the Bible teaches something completely different. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.

If he hears you, you have gained your brother. The church has drifted into the false teaching over the past several years of saying that if somebody offends you ie. However the Bible clearly teaches that if somebody offends you ie. In fact, the church has deteriorated in Australia over the past fifteen years as a result of ineffective leadership.

Go and start your own church. All of the people who attend it deserve good leadership and if Phil Pringle is incapable of providing it, he should make way for somebody who can. Phil Pringle thinks he can gain credibility by wearing a denim jacket and leaving his shirt untucked.

People are looking for solid answers to pressing problems. The clothes a pastor wears mean very little. What matters is what is coming out of his mouth.

Cephas said:. August 30, at pm. August 31, at am. Pounds with the law and fails to bring the comfort of the gospel. God bless you Andrew! At last! I used to cringe as I sat and looked around at some of our lovely elderly worshippers, clearly riddled with arthritis and witness the distressed looks on their faces.

Nauseating and nothing short of abuse of the elderly!!!!! Jacqui Fenton said:. August 30, at am. This is an extremely interesting website. I attended C3 for 5 years before i moved away from the area. I had lived away for 3, and have never been so close to god from the incredible foundation C3 had helped me build. I believe the pastors and leaders at C3 are biblical and practical.

But each to their own… someone must have really upset you, sorry about that — chin up buddy. August 31, at pm. Nick said:. September 8, at am. Wow…this website…really. I have seen hundreds come to Christ and come to the knowledge of the true living God and I know that God does not like when we argue like this. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Honor them with the words you say about them. Lift them up in prayer, supplication, intercession, and thankfulness please. This is good and acceptable in the sight of God. September 30, at pm. September 12, at am. Gladys said:. September 22, at am. Howdy very cool blog!! Mate I think the real reason you started this blog is because you carry un-forgiveness. Get over your gripes and move on.

Let the Holy Spirit do the pastoring. I have to ask you which Holy Spirit you are telling us to follow. A Holy Spirit that wrote the scriptures that taught us how Jesus and His apostles told us to judge? Or a Holy Spirit that pastors people to do nothing about immorality behind the pulpit? October 2, at am. Like Phil Pringle does when he says — with a straight face — that God wants us to be rich?

November 9, at am. The same old platitudes rolled out again, and again, and again. So please respect that people are finally getting the courage to speak out about their experiences as Kerri and others have.

We are not impressed of the vitriol some c3 pastors have expressed about this site. We encourage anyone to email us if anything we have written about C3 is slanderous.

So far, their have been minor corrections and none from the C3 organisation itself. On the topic of credentials.. This is the basis of who is in error and who is in the clear. October 3, at am. What is worse? A blog that hides their credentials in case C3 slanders them; or a church movement that has their founder parade dishonest credentials who slander, mock, sensor and condemn their critics? To our credit — we are open to correction and criticism by critics C3 on the other hand are closed to correction.

To our credit — we present the facts, what C3 says and come to logical conclusions. C3 on the other hand does not engage in facts and instead publicly criticise, sensor, mock and slander people who dare question what they teach. To our credit — we do not slander God publicly.

Key C3 leaders that represent the image of C3 Church on the other hand unashamedly slander and blaspheme God publicly. Because they are failing to represent God fairly. How can anyone represent God accurately in action if they do not know Him as He has revealed Himself in the scriptures?

Those defending C3 — please take note what you are doing. You are changing the standard in how you should judge C3CW and C3.

We encourage you to compare C3 to us in how we use the only credible standard: the bible. Now also consider this: Jim Jones paraded his good works. Jim Jones had big numbers. Jim Jones persuaded men away from God. Poisoned and then gunned them. You could say, Phil Pringle paraded his good works. Phil Pringle had big numbers. Phil Pringle persuaded men away from God. Now in hell, people found he conned them. Matt 7. Our focus is the truth.

This is where credibility stems from. This is our simple standard. Please follow the bible so we can have proper discussions here. If you want to defend C3, at least use the bible. At least make C3 look biblically competent on their behalf. If you are not comparing C3 and us to this standard please leave C3CW. October 4, at am. MrJaylo said:. October 2, at pm. Anna said:. October 1, at pm. There are many, many good, decent and loving people that attend C3 churches. Likewise, I believe there are many who would show one face to the world and a completely different face behind their own walls.

I have personally been involved in an ugly situation concerning a previous C3 location and through that process my discernment has only grown. What does discredit this site is the harsh words that people exchange towards one another. If a reader finds this site and is honestly curious and searching for truth, how will it help them to read bickering and belittling comments? If we truly keep it about facts — then this site is doing exactly what it was meant to do — inform.

Some of the comments made on these posts are helpful to readers like me who have questions but may not know where or to whom to ask them. I enjoy a good back and forth but only as a tool for understanding…not insulting. Again, I have been a C3 member for a long time, but that does not make me uninformed or a sheep or a bad Christian.

I hope more people begin to do so. How they get there is between them and God. I want to know when I go to bed at night that I have done everything I could to be a good person and to act in a way that lends credibility to the statement that I am a believer and follower of God. Thank you for the work you do, everyone. Eventually you will find the truth. That was a great post. And we agree with you. There are some terrific and beautiful people at C3 who only wish to see Jesus glorified.

However, some serious housekeeping needs to happen in leadership. We do wish to inform and report as best as possible. There are also some beautiful and wonderful people in the mormons. Even Mitt Romney looks a great guy. However they are all deceived. Maybe Phil can visit him in prison? October 4, at pm. Do you love to sit in the most important seats at all your conferences?

And could you tell us what credentials and Biblical training Jesus had, that lent him such credibility when he pronounced His scathing denunciations of the ever-so-erudite religious scholars of his day? October 5, at am. Just for a change, it would be interesting to see Don Diego and Roundhouse point to particular issues raised here on this blog and explain why they think them unbiblical. Telling other Christians not to judge what they see and hear at C3 or any other church denomination for that matter, when ironically, Don Diego and Roundhouse, are incredibly more judgmental than those who are trying to practice discernment as biblically mandated!

They would have us take Phil Pringle and C3 teaching on board without practicing any discernment. Why are there so many warnings about false teachers and false prophets in these last days as we are almost years further down the track and closer to His return. But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; abstain from every form of evil. When did the church start equating popularity with success?

October 8, at am. The Holy Spirit decides. My interpretation comes from the Holy Spirit. You would presume to lecture me and others on matters spiritual, but what you have done is to put your woeful ignorance of the Scriptures on public display. What is even worse is the fact that even the bits that you do know, you cannot understand! How ironic it is, then, that you should proclaim the fact that those who post here make fools of themselves.

Have a look in the mirror: you are a classic product of C3 — someone who knows nothing and will believe anything. We can all see that leaves you with very little to say, which is really just as well, because your discourse is quite a long way from qualifying you as either an accomplished wordsmith or a master of reason and debate.

That Guy said:. October 8, at pm. Oh, this is your best comment yet. So when exactly are you going to share your little pearls of wisdom about Scripture? Not actually in the Bible. October 6, at am. Must of missed the scripture in THE BIBLE that says or implies that righteousness comes from worldly carnal, earthly, earthy, fleshly, human, lay, materialistic, mundane, natural, physical, practical, profane, secular, sublunary, telluric, temporal, terrene, terrestrial, ungodly credentials accreditation, authorization, card, certificate, character, deed, diploma, docket, document, documentation, endorsement, letter of credence, letter of introduction, license, missive, papers, passport, proof, recommendation, sanction, testament, testimonial, title, token, voucher, warrant and is by faith in them.

Can someone please point out this scripture so,that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith!? That guy said:. October 6, at pm. Probably because you made some perfectly valid points that they found too inconvenient to their cause and so chose to ignore it.

They do that. October 7, at am. The Bible makes perfectly valid points that Phil Pringle and his followers find too inconvenient, and so they choose to ignore them. Rickie said:. October 9, at am.

Is C3 teaching that we can ask for anything and God will say yes? Yes to prosperity? Yes to a trouble-free life? Yes to MY desires? October 9, at pm. C3 appears too close to the nae it clai it doctrine.

What did we get? October 11, at pm. If your C3 Church is losing valued families and others involved in frontline prayer and teaching ministries like mine it is worth a look to see some of the reasons why. October 12, at pm. We will have to start deleting belittling comments on C3CW if this is not resolved.

Don Diego and Roundhouse, please do not go out of your way to defame what we are doing on C3CW with your malice intent. Simply dispute what we are doing that is wrong using scripture. Zorro and Don Diego, the 2Cor 12 passage is a passage that many scholars have debated over the centuries. Please choose other passages that supports your arguments. October 13, at am. Leave them to their smugness and pity parties. Let them stew in their bitterness while your life continues to be encouraged and challenged.

You participated in Roundhouse belittling C3CW. We let Pringle and other leaders in the C3 movement prove firsthand how incompetent they are at presenting God accurately at all. We do actually. We are accountable to five pastors and various elders from different denominations.

They shall not be named in case you choose to disgrace them publicly. Zorro, hopefully wont name-call you or Roundhouse any more. Submit a story. Need pastoral support? Take a look at how we can assist you in this season. Learn more. Can we pray for you? Also we wanted you to know that Ps Buckingham has removed his blog at our request as it does not reflect our beliefs.

However, it is not actually true that Rob Buckingham has removed his blog post. The C3 statement said that Rob Buckingham had already removed the blog post concerned. But actually none of them have been removed yet at all.

He is the pastor of thousands of C3 people, after all. If you want to clarify if and when any of this stuff will be removed, you can contact C3 — info myc3church. This is a crisis. The walls are down. Is it already too late? Yours in Christ — Andrew Strom prophetic revivalschool. You need to login. Now I have strong views on all of these topics, but sometimes our strong views need to be kept to ourselves in order to be effective in reaching out to others.

For example, sending out an anti-gay message does nothing to reach gay people for Jesus. All it does is ostracize them from the church and force them to find refuge amongst their own community instead of finding love, acceptance and forgiveness in the community of Christ.

What would Jesus do? A simple look at the gospels reveals the answer to this question. The only people Jesus judged were the rightwing, religious fundamentalists who thought they had it all together and were the sole bearers of religious truth see Matthew These people were harsh in their judgment of others; Jesus was harsh in His judgment of them.

But to others, the marginalized and disenfranchised, Jesus offered a gracious and loving view of God. He had plenty to say about a woman with a dubious past who let her hair down literally and anointed him with perfume. When criticized by the religious, Jesus defended her and established a memorial in her honor. He forgave a woman, caught in the act of adultery, that the religious fundamentalists wanted to stone to death.

You get the picture. All these people had their lives and behavior changed by the gracious acceptance of Jesus, not His harsh criticism and condemnation. WWJD is a good question that we all need to ask.

The only problem is when some people ask themselves the question they come up with the wrong answer and become cruel critics instead of those who demonstrate the kindness, tolerance and patience of God.

One repels, the other attracts. What will you do? Brian Houston , C3 , Furtick , Hillsong , Hillsong Church , house , houston , money , phil pringle , pringle , wolf , wolves. In the last few months, people have been hassling or giving us links to report on the lavish lifestyle of Phil and Chris Pringle, Senior Pastors and Founders of the C3 Church Movement. What Big Faith You Have! What Big Stories You Have!

From Hillsong Church Watch. Before looking at some news articles, we thought it would be good to provide an article and some links from the Pajama Pages blog on this issue. We hope these articles help you understand the nature of how mega churches like C3 and Hillsong run. The problem with businessmenpastors. A comment in the Walt White article is impressively on point that I think it deserves to be read by people who may not have made it to the end of that article.

PP reader, Josh, posted the following this afternoon:. In fact, the world and people in the church generally look favorably on successful Christian businessmen.

No one questions how Truett Cathy spends his Chick-fil-a money, for example. The problem is that Furtick and others got their money by turning the church into a business. Pastors like Furtick are obsessed with business leadership because they fashion themselves as the CEO and identify more with celebrity CEOs like Steve Jobs than with non-celebrity pastors.

Decisions are made by the CEO to build the brand, to create a larger customer base, to increase the giving margin, and to expand into new opportunities. Church personnel decisions are made in the same way. Is the youth pastor growing the youth brand? Is the worship pastor stylish enough?

This creates two problems, though.